Herren having no luck

We started on Matt Herren, who began just like he has almost every tournament day this season - as far back in a creek as he can get.


"I like it skinny," Herren said. "But something's going on with this water. It wasn't near this dirty before today."


Herren was flipping isolated stickups without success and moved on from Lithia Creek.


Now we're on Brent Chapman who is working his way down a riprap bank within sight of the dam, where he and Ott DeFoe started this morning.


We're not close enough to visit with him yet, but will soon.